Ik zal die vraag niet als relevant noemen wie de titanic heeft laten zinken?, Al was de hoogmoed voor het grootste ter wereld te hebben wel daarin een kerngedachte !
Anyway, als ik zo een beetje de uitzendingen op NGC heb gevolgd over de titanic, viel me echter wel iets op er was een schip in de buurt die eigenlijk buiten de protocolen van de zeevaartregels ging namelijk de uitzending van die schip om op te passen voor afgedreven ijsbergen ! Tweede punt was dat de kraaiennest qua nachtzicht en de koude omgeving die het deed om een ijsberg op tijd te ontwijken...in 1 van die uitzendingen heeft een expert die simulatie nog eens overgedaan met de exacte weersomstandigheden van die fatale nacht, waaruit blijkt dat het zicht door de koude wind en de nodige tranen erbij eigenlijk een groot gedeelte van het verzien ontnam.
Er is nergens een schuldige aan te duiden, de omstandigheden waren voor de kraaiennest niet zo goed voorzien bij nachtzicht puur op het zicht zonder verrekijker op tijd het obstakel te zien..helaas....te laat want het bevond zich te dichtbij om nog ontwijkruimte te hebben.... en ongeacht dat ze met goede metaal werkten, was er bij de samenstelling van de klinknagels niet zo goed nagedacht om de druk van een onderzeese brede ijsberg niet te onderschatten is wat de titanic heeft doen zinken, ook voor het ongeval is uit de archieven en gesprekken al gebleken dat 1 van de ovendeuren door oververhitting een deel van zijn sterkte om het water tegen te kunnen houden op zwak !
Anyway, ik denk nu niet meer dat er een complot achterstond, de ijsberg heeft misschien het roet al in het eten komen brengen nog voor er sprake was van een aanval met kern-onderzeeboten dus... er is niet echt een schuldige van dat ongeval aan te wijzen al waren er wel aanwijzingen dat er plannen toe waren ze tot zinken te brengen.
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Given that the oldest champagne in the world has been found on the Baltic seabed near the Aland Islands, between Sweden and Finland I was wondering what shipwrecked Champagne has surfaced before and, more importantly, what it tastes like? I know that Louis Roederer, one of France’s oldest champagne producers, stored its champagne on the seabed off Northern France (the Champagne was sold off for charity). In 1997 Champagne was discovered on board the Jőngkőping, which was sunk by a German submarine in 1916. The Jőngkőping was carrying 5000 bottles of Heidsieck’s Goût Américain Champagne of the 1907 vintage (the same brand and year that the Titanic was carrying when it went down).
The champagne was found at 210 feet where it had been preserved at a constant temperature of 3º – 4ºC. The champagne of this era was sweet rather than dry and once opened there was still a “pop” and a sparkle. If you fancy a glass it is being sold for an eye popping $275,000 price tag at the Ritz-Carlton hotel in Moscow.
So if we know that the Titanic was carrying the same Champagne – has any surfaced yet? Strangely enough the the Titanic was not even launched with the customary bottle of Champagne. She was launched by the White Star Line on Wednesday, May 31, 1911 in front of all the dignitaries, and over 100,000 spectators watching the event. Lord Pirrie (chairman of Harland and Wolff) simply gave the calm order to the launch foreman. There was no formally naming ceremony, no bottle of Champagne broken across her bow and the Titanic was never christened.
Breaking a bottle of champagne over the prow of a ship upon its launching and naming stems from an ancient practice dating back to Viking times when an offering of blood was used. Up until the late 17th century a cup made from precious metal was used – this was thrown over the side of the ship and King William III decreed that this was a wasteful practice and that wine should be used instead. At the time Britain was building its navy and throwing gold and silver cups over the side was getting expensive! The practice of using Champagne came about in the late 19th century although ships can be launched with other liquids – the HMS Sutherland was launched in 1996 by a bottle of Macallan Single Highland Malt Whisky!
Salvaging materials from the Titanic is fraught with controversy and after a long court battle the salvor-in-possession, R.M.S. Titanic, Inc. was told this August that they are entitled to full compensation for artefacts worth about $110 million that it has recovered. However, US District Judge Rebecca Beach Smith’s ruling did not determine how RMS Titanic will be paid. She said she could take up to a year to decide whether to give RMS title to the approximately 5,900 artefacts or sell them and turn the proceeds over to the company. Meanwhile, RMS will retain possession of the items, which its Atlanta-based parent company Premier Exhibitions has been displaying in exhibitions around the world.
R.M.S. Titanic, Inc has salvaged unopened bottles of Champagne found on the Titanic which can be seen in the exhibition. What remains unclear is whether any of that Champagne has found its way into the mainstream. In 2002, an Australian company called Wineflyers International (whose regular customers apparently include David Bowie) announced it had sourced and sold six bottles of wine from the Titanic to “a high profile customer in Asia.” What that wine was I do not know but apparently it was requested as a joke by a high profile customer in Asia, and Wineflyers searched the globe to locate it. The buyer of course wished not to be named and would consider donating the wines to a national museum (oh really?).
CBC News in Canada has reported that Betty Thomas in Halifax, Nova Scotia has what she believes is a bottle ofwine that came off the Titanic. The wine is an unopened champagne bottle of sparkling wine: Jeanne d’Arc Vin Mousseux, Cuvee Reserve. Family legend has it that Betty’s forebear scooped up the bottle whilst on his boat from the ocean which was littered with wreckage from the Titanic.
It’s presumed that the bottle was floating in a wooden case as it is in surprisingly good condition and has no water damage. The label looks more art deco (1920s) than art nouveau (1890 – 1910) to me and although “methode champenoise” is on the label there are no other signs of where it was produced. The night of 14 / 15th April this year is the centenary of the sinking of the Titanic.
There is a lot of speculation about what wines the Titanic was actually carrying but no one seems to know for sure. We do know that the Champagne onboard was Heidsieck’s Goût Américain Champagne vintage 1907. Salvaging materials from the Titanic is fraught with controversy and there is an ongoing court battle. The salvor-in-possession, R.M.S. Titanic, Inc. has salvaged unopened bottles of Champagne found on the Titanic which can be seen in their travelling exhibition.
According to the Titanic’’s manifest the Titanic was carrying 1500 bottles of wine, 15,000 champagne glasses, 20,000 bottles of beer and stout, and at least 850 bottles of spirits. The cargo manifest reveals further reserves of 17 cases of cognac, 70 cases of wine and 191 cases of liquor.
The White Star Line that owned the Titanic stocked relatively few Bordeaux clarets, compared to wines that could be served chilled, such as Champagne and Moselle, because the rumble of the enormous steam engines would dislodge sediment in the older reds.
The wine lists appear in the White Star Line’s ‘Notes for First Class Passengers’ and show a common provision for all ships on the North Atlantic routes. The 1910 edition lists Champagne (choice of 10), Claret (2), Sauternes, Hock (sparkling or still), Moselle (sparkling or still), Port (2), Sherry, Burgundy (Volnay) and Vermouth (French or Italian). You’ll note that there is no Vin Mousseux amongst the list.
It’s possible that the Jeanne d’Arc sparkling wine was onboard but not listed or that it was part of a passenger’s luggage. I can find no record of the producer in Champagne. However the region of Champagne-Ardenne is the birth place of Joan of Arc (Jeanne d’Arc), who came from the village of Domremy, now in the Aude.
There is a Cuvee Jeanne d’Arc made by Chateau de L’Aulee in the Loire but this is not a sparkling wine although de L’Aulee do produce a Cremant de Loire. Joan of Arc famously met with King Charles VII in Chinon so this is the inspiration for the wine’s name. The only other Jeanne d’Arc I can find is Château Kefraya, Cuvée Jeanne d’Arc, Blanc de blancs, located in Lebanon in the Bekaa Valley.
Without proper analysis it will be difficult to ascertain whether the bottle of Vin Mousseux did actually come from the Titanic or not. I’ll keep you updated if I find out any more information!
The Owner, the Chairman, the Captain, and the Officers
"What I remember about that night - what I will remember as long as I live - is the people crying out to each other as the stern began to plunge down. I heard people crying, '"I love you.'"
Second Officer Charles H. Lightoller, RMS Titanic
Back row left to right:
Chief Purser Herbert McElroy, 2nd Officer Charles Lightoller
3rd Officer Herbert Pitman, 4th Officer Joseph Boxhall
5th Officer Harold Lowe
Front row left to right:
6th Officer James Moody, Chief Officer Henry Wilde
Captain Edward Smith, 1st Officer William Murdoch
The White Star Line went through several different ownerships in its 89 years of existence. For a complete history of the White Star Line, see The Beginning Years on this website. The following information pertains only to the White Star Line's ownership during Titanic's construction and demise.
John Pierpont (JP) Morgan. American financier and founding owner of the International Mercantile Marine Company. (IMMC) This company was the controlling trust and retaining ownership of the White Star Line, Red Star Line, Dominion Line, American Transport Line, and the Leyland Line. Although Titanic was actually an American owned vessel, Morgan kept the ships of his trust under British registry with British crews. This was in order to escape being accused of violating the American Sherman Anti-Trust Act of 1890. (The act that took down J.D. Rockefeller's Standard Oil Company) Most of the vessels flew both American and British flags with the White Star Line burgee. Morgan also owned US Steel, General Electric and numerous banks and other financial institutions. JP Morgan and company continues to thrive today (JP Morgan Chase) Morgan had intended on accompanying Titanic on her maiden voyage but took ill. He died shortly after the Titanic disaster in 1913.
Joseph Bruce Ismay, (Bruce Ismay) Managing Director of IMMC and President of the White Star Line. Ismay's father had owned White Star and passed it on to Bruce Ismay. Ismay was against IMMC's takeover of White Star but was out-voted by the WSL board of directors. Morgan asked Ismay to stay on as Managing Director of IMMC and President of the White Star Line; which he reluctantly agreed to do. Ismay survived the Titanic disaster and was ridiculed for the rest of his life by the press and public for not going down with the ship, although he was exonerated by the formal British and American Inquiries of any wrongdoing. He resigned from IMMC after the Titanic disaster and the White Star Line would not allow him to retain his position. He was apparently thought of highly enough to be asked in desperation in 1933 by White Star Line management to come back and save the company from a merger with Cunard. But it was too late to be saved. Ismay died at home in Ireland in 1937 at the age of 74.
The Designer and Builder
Thomas Andrews Jr. was managing director and head of the drafting department for the shipbuilding company Harland and Wolff in Belfast, Ireland. Andrews was the shipbuilder in charge of the plans for Titanic. He was the nephew of William James Pirrie, one of Harland and Wolff's owners. Harland and Wolff always sent a "team" on a White Star Liner's maiden voyage to make sure everything worked properly. With Titanic, Andrews wanted to personally accompany the vessel on her maiden voyage and traveled as a first class passenger. He was summoned by Titanic's captain shortly after striking the iceberg. After sounding the ship and making a few calculations, Andrews informed the captain that Titanic would in fact sink and within 2-hours; he was correct. Andrews assisted getting passengers into lifeboats and was last seen by a steward staring at a painting (entrance to Plymouth Harbor) in the first class smoking room. 39 tear old Thomas Andrews did not survive.
Captain Edward John (EJ) Smith, Captain of the RMS Titanic and Commodore of the White Star Line Fleet. It has been speculated by some historians (including Night to Remember author Walter Lord) that ships had gotten too big for Captain Smith, in comparison to what he had mastered earlier in his career. Prior to Titanic, he had been involved in several collisions and near misses with the larger liners. He almost swung the Majestic completely about to avoid hitting an iceberg in 1902. Smith made two trooping voyages during the Boer War and was medaled as an honorary member of the Royal Naval Reserve. He was known as a gentle but firm shipmaster and thought of affectionately by his crew and passengers alike. Captain Smith had planed to retire with 38 years at sea after Titanic's scheduled return to England from New York. He was last seen going into Titanic's wheelhouse. 62 year old EJ Smith went down with his ship.
The Chief Officer
Henry Tingle Wild, Executive Officer RMS Titanic. He was transferred to Titanic from the RMS Olympic at Capt. Smith's request due to his familiarity with Olympic Class Liners. Wild wrote a letter to his sister dated 4/11/12 (from Titanic) in it he stated, "....I still don't like this ship, I just have a queer feeling about it." Wild's last minute transfer to Titanic caused a shift in the positions assigned to Titanic's other officers. Everyone moved down a notch, and the original 2nd officer position assigned to David Blair was eliminated altogether. Wild is one the officers believed to have shot himself just before Titanic slipped beneath the sea. Wild being the officer to have done this was reported by two survivors in two separate letters to their respective families. He did not survive and was 39 years old at the time of the disaster.
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De viool van violist Wallace Hartley, de muzikant die met zijn ensemble doorspeelde terwijl de Titanic zonk, is teruggevonden.
Dat melden verschillende Britse media vrijdag.
Volgens Andrew Aldridge, veilingmeester van het veilingshuis Britse Henry Aldridge & Son werd het instrument al in 2006 gevonden, maar geloofde men toen niet dat het om de viool van Hartley ging.
Zeven jaar onderzoek was er voor nodig om definitief te kunnen zeggen dat het om de betreffende viool gaat. Onder meer forensisch onderzoekers van de Oxford University bogen zich over de zaak. Onder meer een zilveren plaatje vastgeschroefd op het staartstuk van de viool was bepaldend in het onderzoek. Daar op staat in het Engels geschreven: 'Voor Wallace, ter gelegenheid van onze verloving, van Maria.'
"Het is het meest belangrijke relikwie van de Titanic dat er gevonden is en het is waarschijnlijk ook het meest waardevolle", zegt Aldridge.
Overlevenden van de ramp herinneren zich nog hoe het gezelschap door bleef spelen toen de passagiers van het schip op reddinsboten stapte nadat de Titanic op een ijsschots was gevaren.
De viool, die twee snaren mist en een barst heeft in de voorplaat van rozenhout, wordt eind maart geëxposeerd in Belfast, vlakbij de plek waar ooit de Titanic gebouwd werd. De viool is naar verwachting rond de 463.000 euro (400.000 Britse pond) waard.
In april is het 101 jaar geleden dat de Titanic in de golven van de Atlantische Oceaan verdween. Bij de ramp kwamen 1512 mensen om het leven, onder wie drie Nederlanders.
Titanic-misverstand: “Volle kracht naar stuurboord”. Oeps, was dat nou rechtsaf of linksaf?
Exact 101 jaar geleden, op 10 april 1912 om 12.00u , klonk de scheephoorn van de Titanic door de haven van Southampton ten teken van het vertrek van het toen grootste passagiersschip ter wereld. Het moest de parel worden van rederij White Star Line, die met 3 van dit soort luxe cruiseschepen een groot deel van het trans-Atlantische scheepvaartverkeer zou gaan onderhouden. Met z’n indrukwekkende afmetingen (269 meter lang, 28 meter breed, 9 verdiepingen met een totale hoogte van 56 meter en een diepgang van ruim 10,5 meter) wekte de RMS Titanic de illusie volstrekt ‘onzinkbaar’ te zijn. In de nacht van 14 op 15 april maakte een ijsberg een einde aan die illusie. Nadat de Titanic op volle snelheid de ijsberg had geramd boorde deze zich genadeloos een weg door de scheepswand, waarna het schip binnen een tijdsbestek van 3 uur onder het ijskoude wateroppervlak verdween, 1522 passagiers en bemanningsleden meesleurend in z’n onafwendbare rampspoed.