Uitlevering van Gary McKinnon aan US

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Velen van jullie zijn waarschijnlijk wel bekent met de zogenaamde "Cyber Crime" van de inmiddels 46 jarige Gary McKinnon. Zijn hacken van U.S militaire computers met als doel informatie bemachtigen, of eerder bewijs van het bestaan en gebruik van anti zwaartekracht technologie door Amerikaanse leger. Volgens Gary zou deze met behulp van "reverse enginering"  van "alien spacecraft" ontwikkeld zijn.


BBC interview Mei 2006


Deze week zal eindelijk een uitspraak gedaan worden vanuit  The Home office  (Britse regering) over het wel of niet uitlveren van Gary McKinnon aan Amerika.  Ik zeg "eindelijk" want hij verrichtte deze daad in 2002, en de uitspraak is meerdere malen uitgesteld. De voornaamste reden van uitstel is het feit dat Gary lijdt aan syndroom van Asperger en sinds de aanklacht tegen hem, aan zware depressie wat volgens artsen er toe zou kunnen leiden dat hij zelfmoord zou kunnen plegen, mocht de uitlevering door gaan.

artikel uit Guardian : http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oc ... xtradition

Gary McKinnon medical report offers hope against US extradition
Study says British man wanted in US for hacking Pentagon computers could be very likely to attempt suicide if extradited


Hopes that the computer hacker Gary McKinnon will win his 10-year legal battle against extradition have been significantly raised after Home Office-appointed psychiatrists warned that he would be very likely to attempt suicide if sent for trial in the US.
The home secretary, Theresa May, is expected to announce her decision to parliament on Tuesday morning. McKinnon's mother, Janis Sharp, said she has been given no prior word about the likely verdict. However, the family has been shown a new government-commissioned medical report into the mental condition of McKinnon, who has Asperger's syndrome and has suffered severe depression.
The study, by Professor Declan Murphy and Professor Tom Fahy of the Institute of Psychiatry, has been seen by the Guardian and spells out the risks the government would face if it pressed ahead with McKinnon's extradition.
It is particularly significant because the same experts concluded in July that McKinnon's risk of suicide was "moderate". Since then they have studied reports from three experts in Asperger's and suicide – Professor Simon Baron-Cohen, Professor Jeremy Turk and Dr Jan Vermeulen – who examined McKinnon earlier this year.
The new report is dated 24 September. In a section headed "Opinion", Murphy and Fahy write: "It is clear from [Vermeulen's] report that there is a significant risk of suicidal behaviour and that Mr McKinnon 'will do' what he has threatened for the last three to four years if the extradition proceeds. On this specific point, we cannot offer reassurance to the authorities who are dealing with this case."
Sharp said the family was delighted at the experts' change of opinion: "I was really surprised when I read it, and so was Gary's solicitor. I didn't expect it.
"Although it's saying bad things about Gary's health, it's very good news. For them to come out and say Gary not even might or could but will take his own life if it proceeds, and they can give no reassurances, I would have thought it would be very difficult for the government to go ahead."
McKinnon, 46, was arrested in March 2002 for allegedly hacking into dozens of Pentagon and Nasa computers over a 13-month period from a bedroom in north London. He admitted the security breaches but denied any malicious intent, saying he was looking for evidence of UFOs, and that notes he left mocking the lack of security were merely mischievous. US officials insist he caused thousands of dollars' worth of damage and want to prosecute him on charges that could bring a jail sentence of 60 years.
Much of the subsequent extradition fight, which has seen McKinnon's lawyers appeal unsuccessfully to the House of Lords and the European court of human rights, has centred on his mental health and the possible risk of suicide if he is extradited.
Sharp's campaigning over the years has played a significant role, particularly as she secured guarantees of support from the Liberal Democrats while they were in opposition and, to a lesser extent, the Conservatives. David Cameron has raised the case twice in meetings with Barack Obama in a presumed attempt to smooth the diplomatic path towards an eventual decision not to extradite.
However, Sharp, from south Hertfordshire, said the delay since the new government took power had been agonising.
"Before the coalition got in Nick Clegg stood by my side outside the Home Office to support me, and David Cameron spoke up for Gary and said he should be tried here. When they won the election we wept as we thought Gary was home and dry. Then nothing happened. Then Theresa May put a stop on it and we thought, fantastic. Again nothing happened. After that, David Cameron said the decision would come in weeks, not months. Then somebody in the Home Office decided they needed more medical reports."
May's decision was due in July but was delayed until October because of the Olympics.
The Home Office declined to say when May would make her announcement, only that the high court had directed that it should be "on or around" 16 October.
A spokesman said: "This is a complex case, in a complex area of the law, and a large amount of material has been submitted, some of it relatively recently. The home secretary needs to consider all the material carefully before making a decision."
Sharp said she would go to her son's home nearby and await the decision with him. The 10-year battle had taken an enormous toll on them both, she said.
"It's the most cruel and horrendous thing, and it's the only thing in our minds 24 hours a day. It's the only thing I can talk about. I've gone through all our money. Gary hasn't got an outlet. He can't go online. He's a really good musician but he hasn't touched an instrument for years because he can't deal with what it would bring up. So he sits in the dark with his cats. He's lost 10 years of his life.
"I just want Gary to recover mentally, to get back to being himself, not seeing the world as this big, dark, cruel place. He's a good guy and it's all so sad."
meer info over Gary op Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon

Wanneer je het interview met Gary ( uit 2006) hoort en bekijkt blijken de systemen die hij ge-hacked heeft ( MS windows) en de manier waarop, nou niet bepaald van een technisch hoogstaand niveau. De gevangenis straf die hem boven het hoofd hangt is proportioneel absurd, namelijk 60 jaar! (mijn inziens meer omdat hij Amerikaanse leger (beveiliging) voor schut heeft gezet) Hij snapt wel dat hij de wet heeft overtreden en is bereid daar voor straf te ondergaan, maar dan wel in eigen land en volgens wetgeving van dat land.
 

 
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Dat zware straffen gebeurd altijd waneer de overheidsdiensten voor schut zijn geweest of als de overheid ze en/of hem niet kan pakken en berechten. Zag je in de jaren '80 ook met de heinekenontvoerders, Nederland kon het niet verkroppen dat ze in Frankrijk weer na twee jaar op vrije voeten kwamen. Dus heeft Nederland toen de wetten maar omzeild. Niet dat het lieverdjes waren, maar toch. Als je hoge figuren en de overheid trotseerd kan je dat dan duur komen te staan...
In de erfenis der eeuwen ligt veel wijsheid opgetast. Ook hier geldt: dwaas is hij die zijn eigen geschiedenis versmaadt.
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Als je op een of andere manier dingen blootlegt die niet voor het "publiek" bestemd zijn, kom je altijd in de problemen. Kijk naar klokkenluiders wereldwijd bv. Niemand die ervoor geprezen wordt.Het wordt je niet in dank afgenomen. Gewoon het systeem accepteren en je bek houden.
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Ik voel een Project Garry aankomen als ze hem uitleveren...
dan mag de britse ambassade wel wat extra brandblussers klaarzetten...je weet nooit waar de bliksem inslaat he... :whistle:
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Los van dat ik het bizar vind dat hij zo'n 2 jaar toegang wist te krijgen tot deze top secret computers (een makkie gezien deze op "default admin" passwords online waren) eveneens bizar in mijn ogen dat er de MSM niet verder is ingegaan op hetgeen hij verteld tussen 6:50 min en 10:30 van zijn interview met de BBC in 2006.. dus plaatst ik dit nogmaals



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Gary McKinnon will not be extradited to US, Theresa May announces

Mother of British hacker thanks 'brave' home secretary for withdrawing extradition order on human rights grounds
Alan Travis and Owen Bowcott
The Guardian, Tuesday

16 October 2012 19.53 BST
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oc ... adited-may


The home secretary, Theresa May, defied the American authorities on Tuesday by halting the extradition of British computer hacker Gary McKinnon, a decision criticised by the US state department but welcomed with delight by campaigners and politicians across parties in the UK.

In a dramatic House of Commons statement, May told MPs she had taken the quasi-judicial decision on human rights grounds because of medical reports warning that McKinnon, 46, who has Asperger's syndrome and suffers from depressive illness, could kill himself if sent to stand trial in the US.

The irony that May's most popular decision as home secretary was taken because of the Human Rights Act, which she has pledged to scrap, was not lost on her critics. But in a promised overhaul of the extradition laws that accompanied the decision, May indicated that future home secretaries would be stripped of the very power that she had used to save the computer hacker.

McKinnon's mother, Janis Sharp, said May had been "incredibly brave" to "stand up" to the Americans. She said she was overwhelmed after the "emotional rollercoaster" the family had been through in the past 10 years.

McKinnon, from Wood Green, north London, could not speak when he first heard the decision but then cried and hugged his mother.

"He felt like he was a dead person," Sharp said. "He had no job, he didn't go on holiday … he felt worthless … Thank you, Theresa May, from the bottom of my heart – I always knew you had the strength and courage to do the right thing."

McKinnon's MP, David Burrowes, who had threatened to resign from the government if the extradition went ahead, said May had saved McKinnon's life: "Today is a victory for compassion and the keeping of pre-election promises."

McKinnon was first indicted by an American grand jury in November 2002 for hacking into US military computers, including the Pentagon and Nasa, from his north London bedroom while he was looking for UFOs. He could have faced a prison sentence of up 70 years under US law.

The extradition order against McKinnon has been withdrawn and it will now be for the director of public prosecutions to decide whether he should be prosecuted in Britain.

A spokeswoman for the state department, Victoria Nuland, said: "The United States is disappointed by the decision to deny Gary McKinnon's extradition to face long overdue justice in the United States. We are examining the details of the decision."

The US authorities have described McKinnon's actions as the "biggest military computer hack of all time". The Washington Post observed that the decision "could ignite tensions in an otherwise close transatlantic relationship", while the former White House counsel Douglas McNabb said the US attorney's office would be furious.

The decision, which is the first time an extradition has been halted under the 2003 US-UK treaty, prompted immediate delight from those who campaigned to prevent McKinnon's removal and politicians from all parties.

Nick Clegg said he wanted to pay tribute to Sharp's determination to speak up for her son over 10 years. "I've long argued that I think it would have been wrong to send someone as vulnerable as Gary McKinnon to the United States and also I'm delighted that the home secretary has set out some plans about how we rebalance the extradition arrangements between the UK and the USA," the Liberal Democrat leader said.

The only discordant note came from the former Labour home secretary Alan Johnson, who said the hacker's human rights case had been rejected by judges in 2009 and claimed May had made the decision "in her party's best interest; it is not in the best interests of the country". He disclosed that the US authorities had been prepared to allow McKinnon to serve his sentence in a British prison when Johnson rejected McKinnon's earlier appeals.

Other MPs and campaigners expressed the hope that May would now use her discretion to halt the extradition of British student Richard O'Dwyer, who is accused of infringing US copyright laws. "Home secretaries have to make these decisions," said Keith Vaz, the chairman of the Commons home affairs select committee. "We cannot hand all the decisions to the judges to make on our behalf."

The home secretary told MPs that the treaty, which has been criticised as "lop-sided", was "broadly sound". But she made an important concession to critics, announcing that a "forum bar" would be introduced.

This will give a British court the power to bar prosecution overseas if it believes it will be fairer for the accused to face a British trial. This change may, however, take some time to come into effect as, rather than implementing an existing clause in the 2003 Extradition Act, May will introduce fresh legislation to overcome problems of delay and possible "satellite litigation".

She confirmed to MPs her intention to scrap the home secretary's discretion under the Human Rights Act that enabled her to prevent McKinnon's extradition. "Matters such as representations on human rights grounds should, in future, be considered by the high court rather than the home secretary.

This change, which will significantly reduce delays in certain cases, will require primary legislation."

She opened the door for more wide-ranging reform of the extradition process to reduce delays of up to 14 years by looking again at the provision of legal aid for terror suspects in national security cases and introducing a permission stage for appeals to UK courts.

The former Lib Dem leader Sir Menzies Campbell told May the treaty still needed reform, in particular the standard of proof required. He hoped that no British citizen would be sent to the US unless there was "probable cause".

The Liberty director, Shami Chakrabarti, welcomed the McKinnon decision. "This is a great day for rights, freedoms and justice in the United Kingdom," she said. "The home secretary has spared this vulnerable man the cruelty of being sent to the US and accepted Liberty's longstanding argument for change to our rotten extradition laws."

But the family of Babar Ahmad, who along with Talha Ahsan was deported two weeks ago to the US on terrorism charges, accused the legal system of double standards. "We strongly welcome the decision not to extradite Gary McKinnon. We would not want his family to experience the pain and suffering we have all been enduring since Babar was extradited," they said.

"However, questions do need to be asked as to why, within two weeks, a British citizen with Asperger's accused of computer-related activity is not extradited, while two other British citizens, one with Asperger's, engaged in computer-related activity are extradited. A clear demonstration of double standards."
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Mja, als je zo je deuren wagenweid open zet is er dan nog wel spraken van hacken als er iemand binnen wandelt?

Dat is net zoiets als een website opzetten en dan achteraf beweren dat de informatie top secret was en de bezoekers spionennen waren.

Ik word een beetje moe van die VS, en nog veel moeier van die stupide overheden die hun burgers niet beschermen tegen dat soort arogantie.
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Gary McKinnon will face no charges in UK

Police and CPS say chances of convicting alleged computer hacker, who won fight against US extradition, would be poor
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/de ... uk-charges
McKinnon's lawyer, Karen Todner, said: "I have mixed feelings about this: I am pleased he is not going to be prosecuted because I wouldn't want to think he would ever spend any time in prison given his mental situation.

"But I am disappointed because the extradition warrant is still outstanding because he can't travel anywhere outside of the UK and will have this hanging over him until it's resolved. We have discussed approaching president Obama and asking for a pardon."
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